hollywoodmug2

Some people will never let go of Jack, no matter what.

Are we sure he's "never been in love before"? Has he actually said that? I can't recall. We know he's avoided relationships, but that's not necessarily to say he's not been in love. Episode 4870 Xavier did and the way he treated Charlie, their one night stand he dumpted her on their first date cause work called you could difinitely see the difference. I suppose. Well there's no doubtin' it now! He's vulnerable when he's with Martha though and he's gonna tell her his deepest secrets As much as i think it wasn't nice of Hugo to sleep with Charlie when he was inlove with Martha, he's still a man frustrated (back then) that he and Martha would never happen but at the same time Charlie was also using Hugo (prove something to herself) she had no self-respect. I didn't think he was in love with Martha back then, I thought it was later? I really need to go watch it all again!

Are we sure he's "never been in love before"? Has he actually said that? I can't recall. We know he's avoided relationships, but that's not necessarily to say he's not been in love. Episode 4870 Xavier did and the way he treated Charlie, their one night stand he dumpted her on their first date cause work called you could difinitely see the difference. I suppose. Well there's no doubtin' it now!

Are we sure he's "never been in love before"? Has he actually said that? I can't recall. We know he's avoided relationships, but that's not necessarily to say he's not been in love.

I loved how he handled Martha in that! He could have got snarky back, and frankly she'd have deserved it for what she said to him, but I liked how he didn't rise to the bait, as she no doubt expected him to. I think he could be exactly what she needs to grow up a bit!

Okay point taken on the incest thing, but Jack and Hugo are still family and it's wrong to me. Martha reeks of desperation, dating Hugo in a desperate bid to replace what she has lost. Martha (I'm so lonely with a man in my life) is a nobody without Jack, she has no spark and she's starting to grate on me. Jack's been dead for 6 months and to be honest I was half expecting her to hook up with Angelo. Martha crying that she can't lose Hugo after dating for 5 minutes was laughable. What makes you think she's only with Hugo because she desperately wants to replace Jack? I don't get that impression at all, and she's never given any indication of it. We know Martha struggled with her feelings for Hugo and couldn't be with him until she'd laid the proverbial ghost of Jack to rest - let's not forget it was Hugo who fell for her first, not the other way around - so it's not like Hugo walked in the door and she sniffed out the shared dna and jumped him in a heartbeat! And do you actually know just how many couples in their situation end up together after losing someone close to both of them? A lot! Widows marry their dead spouse's best friends or brothers because they grow close over a shared grieving, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all. A cousin is nothing. It's a pretty natural thing to happen. I can't perceive any problem either with her crying about losing him when they'd not been together long - after the whole drama they went through before getting together, I'd be saying the same thing. I think it took a lot for her to accept how she felt, so it's not surprising she's not wanting to let him go just yet! I also disagree with all of the Martha haters claiming she's 'nothing without Jack'. What a lot of tripe! Jack wasn't a saint, and he certainly wasn't the either the best or most interesting character the show's ever had. I think there's just a problem here with people letting go of him... Martha's moved on, the viewers need to let her!

That's fair enough! I feel the same way about about Miles/Kirsty, Tony/Rachel and, lately Aden/Belle, even though I used to be a big Adelle fan. But I do think people threatening to vomit or murder over a pairing are taking things a leeeetle bit too seriously!

I like them separately and love them together. Personally I found Jack as interesting as boiled cabbage. I wasn't a great fan of Roman or Conrad - nothing against him I just didn't warm to the character - but I do think Bernard Curry is a very good actor. You need to look up the definition of incest, though. So far as Martha and Hugo are concerned, there's nothing 'wrong' or illegal about it. Incest is between close blood relations, which doesn't fit their situation at all. They're only related through marriage, not blood, and not even a CLOSE marriage (it's not like Hugo was Jack's brother), so there's absolutely nothing disgusting about it. I think they're lovely together.

I agree I know I'm a bit late to the party with this, but I have to agree also! He's got seriously lovely eyes.